Fate/stay night Unlimited Blade Works Epilogue & Sunny Day

I've seen this shot about four times now

This makes it the fourth time I’ve seen this shot

Okay, so I’m back to wrap up the Fate/stay night Unlimited Blade Works post I started ages ago.

Instead of squeezing in the VN’s original epilogue at the end of the previous episode, Ufotable did a great thing by producing an entire extra episode with new material depicting what happens after the original route, alongside the remaining source material. As a result, I think episode 25 in itself is worth watching for readers of the visual novel regardless if you think the rest of the show is a bad adaptation or not (I personally thought it was great, but it was certainly a bit shaky here and there).

Tohsaka pls

It was great seeing Rin and Shirou grow up a bit. Although I miss the twintails, seeing Rin drop the tsundere attitude and being more honest about being a loving girl for Shirou overall makes come off as more mature, and it was neat seeing how tall Shirou got in such a short timeskip. He’s going to match Archer’s juggernaut height in no time.

This entire episode was just that: a fun closure to the characters. Good fun. It also made me feel like I want Ufotable to team up with Nasu to create a Magic School spin-off of Fate. Granted, such an idea wouldn’t be the same without Illya or Saber.

Don't touch my man, bitch

I honestly didn’t think I’d ever get to see Luvia animated by Ufotable until a Fate/Hollow Ataraxia adaptation became a thing, so it was a really great treat seeing her here.

I mean, she’s in the Fate/kaleid liner Prisma Illya anime, but I never liked how Silver Link drew the Fate characters’ eyes in comparison to the original manga by KALMIA. Although, speaking of which, at the time when I watched the episode, the Luvia scenes got me pretty hyped for 2wei herz!, which aired a few weeks after my birthday (Silver Link knows I’m an Illyafag? Hrm).

Fight for SHEROU

Thought it was all going to be fluff? Hah! Tohsaka and Luvia catfights are never fluff.

Imagine if their Prisma counterparts had catfights like this all the time. Jeez.

Shiki can kill Servants btw

I’m still not sure if this is a Shiki cameo. If it is, what’s he doing at the Mage’s Association in London?

RIP Moe Arthur

It was a neat touch having Shirou and Rin visit King Arthur’s actual real life grave in Glastonburg Abbey to pay respects to their fallen Saber… it makes me happy that her disappearing in the True End isn’t just an afterthought for them. I’ll just leave this here.

Sakura x Shinji Femdom when

I know Sakura’s probably being a cheeky sister to [the supposedly reformed] Shinji here, but knowing what their abusive relationship is like in Heaven’s Feel gives me the impression that there’s some creepy context behind that smile, to be honest.

Yeah, eat that apple, you piece of shit niisan.

You’ll know what I mean when Heaven’s Feel gets animated…

With his buttbuddy Rider gone, he has been through a lot

This might have flew over Zero fanboy heads, but Lord El-Melloi II (who appears in Prisma too, fyi) is actually Waver in his thirties. Then again, most people probably would have found that out already before this slow-ass post. lol

Fun fact: You might not tell from the way he looks, but Iskander left such a big impression on him that apparently he’s now a giant vidya otaku.

The path of GArcher is not wrong

EMIYA’s closing words are what made the VN UBW end pretty strongly for me, personally. They already (brilliantly) incorporated some of EMIYA’s “Answer” in his actual battle against young Shirou, but in terms of the anime, the remaining portion of his “personal conclusion” still wraps UBW’s end nicely as a narrative.

The path of GARcher...or...

…but one difference is that the anime ends off with a shot of Shirou wandering the wastelands alone in EXTRA Archer’s desert outfit. It’s a pretty epic shot to end off with, but I don’t feel like I particularly enjoy the overall implications. What happened to Tohsaka? Word of God already makes it clear that UBW Shirou won’t become Archer EMIYA, but it feels like he’s going to have a rough life regardless, especially if the one hope Archer left off with (Rin) is gone from the picture.

I’m just going to avoid taking the literal scene at face value and assume that Shirou does end up going through similar path as Archer, but Rin’s still there to support him and prevent him from making any fatal mistakes, like forming a contract with Alaya. The hero EMIYA will come into existence, but the Counter Guardian EMIYA will never be born, at least in their world.

Walking with the wind blowing on your face.
Walking towards the future.
Busy days with no compass to guide you.
After traveling to distant exotic countries…
You will return to where you belong, one sunny day.

Alternate Ending (Sunny Day)

I wub Seiba

Oh boy, the threesome ending. Just think: had Ufotable decided to rack up on the Saber points, we would have gotten this instead of episode 25!

I’m not gonna lie. If Illya didn’t exist, Saber would be my favorite Fate girl with Rin running up there pretty close. Saber’s edge is well… just look at that screenie. Nigga das so kewt.

But similarly to how I feel about their VN counterparts… seven minutes worth of Saber fanservice isn’t remotely comparable to what we ended up getting as compensation for her disappearing. Ufotable going out of their way to animate the alternate ending for the BD kind of proves how it fares against the True End. But hey, maybe I’m not giving that thought a chance. It’s not like I’d mind Saber/Rin/Emiya hijinks in Fuyuki, I guess, and it’s not like they animated anything other than what was shown in the visual novel either. Ufotable spiced up the True Ending by showing us the actual London stuff.

Speaking of alternate endings, you know what would be cool? If Ufotable went out of their way to animate every single Bad End as omake after they’re done with Heaven’s Feel. I keep hearing about Shirou’s “plot armor” and whatnot, but people would be surprised at how many ways he can die over the course of the story just from making a slightly different decision. Hell, choosing to bail out of the Holy Grail War after Kotomine’s explanation gets him CRUSHED BY BERSERKER.

Fate Route remake when

Fate route remake/Last Episode animated when

Meh route, great girl.

2 thoughts on “Fate/stay night Unlimited Blade Works Epilogue & Sunny Day”

  1. Very good summary XD

    A clarification: In the anime when Rin takes Shirou to Glagow to allow him to pay his respects to Saber the only one that actually pays those respects is Shirou, not Rin (plus she says so as well: “you remember how you told me that day that you wished you had the chance to say a proper goodbye. Now’s your chance”. Once they reach the tomb Rin says: “I’ll give you some time alone” and goes away to prepare the picnic. Shirou then says his goodbye words in front of her tomb. Well, I guess she could have said goodbye too while in the picnic with Shirou. At the end he says: “Thanks for taking me there, it means a lot”.

    About the “threesome ending”, it is my believe it is just Shirou X Rin in the anime.

    In my opinion the UBW good ending (sunny day) is just Rin X Shirou in the anime (ova) . In the VN (and the anime if you don’t believe my next arguments) it would be Shirou’s harem (arguments 1-4).

    The reasons why I believe the anime is just Rin X Shirou:

    – Nasu said the anime occurs in a different universe with different laws. Mana transfer, as shown in episode 20, doesn’t happen through sex. Things can’t be taken from the Nasuverse cause it doesn’t apply to this universe. This universe uses Realta Nua method.

    We can’t assume Rin is even bi-curious either as we can’t take anything from other routes given this is a completely different universe and other routes would happen in a different way as well.

    Nasu said that in the anime the ones in a relationship are Rin and Shirou. The anime shows Rin is straight. She is 100% focused on Shirou as a love partner. Then again, you can’t take any info from other routes cause this is a different universe with different rules and even the characters are different. In other routes there would be no mana transfer through sex and
    Nasu also said the anime changes were relevant and that actions speak. Now, let’s see some of those changes just on the 7 minute (without credits) OVA.

    1. In the VN when talking about the mana transfer all 3 of them are together. Shirou asks what his mana boost will be like and Saber says she wants to know as well how Shirou will boost mana. Rin blushes a lot.

    In the anime this is a private conversation between Shirou and Rin. Saber just stands 20 meters away looking into blank space.
    How do I interpret this?: They’re having a private conversation and Saber knows that. Them being together means it’s just the 2 of them in love related matters. Saber is an outsider there, and waits for them to finish.

    2. In the VN Rin pulls saber (last CG). In the anime she grabs Shirou’s arm with both her arms, pulling him with one arm afterwards. Again, this shows Rin and Shirou are the happy couple and removes possible doubts.

    The reasons why I believe the VN is Shirou’s harem (and maybe the ova too if you don’t think it’s just Rin X Shirou) are:

    1. Saber:

    Shirou and Rin love each other so whoever saber likes will be the deciding factor. In a harem several people have feelings for someone. Who does saber like?

    There is one whole route dedicated to the love between Shirou and Arturia. In “the last episode” saber waits for thousands of years for Shirou and cries when she sees him.
    In the UBW anime Rin says saber is way to dedicated to Shirou. In episode 23 saber says “Shirou, you are still my master”, in episode 24 before dying saber says “I am happy because Shirou has Rin”. In the V.N saber flirts with Shirou as Rin states and she says she stays just for him.
    If we look the other way we’ll see that after Rin is forced to have sex with saber in the fate route H-scene saber’s mind is 100% set on Shirou, it’s as if nothing ever happened with Rin. This proves that no matter what Rin does, saber never sees Rin as a love interest.
    In the good ending the bond between Shirou and saber is even stronger than that of the true ending, strong enough for saber to kill Rin while destroying the Grail without the need of a command seal, although that didn’t happen as Archer saved Rin in the last second.
    So we have a saber class servant that willingly states “Shirou, you are still my master” (episode 23) while having another master, she willingly almost kills her real master and in the visual novel after Rin saves her she flirts with her master’s boyfriend.

    In Fate Hollow Ataraxia (the sequel to the VN) eclipse scenes we are shown that Heaven’s Feel is Shirou’s harem because Rider is fucking him. There is another scene which is very interesting, the saber scene. In the game saber comes from the UBW good ending universe. Her eclipse scene is her going inside the bathroom while Shirou is bathing. Shirou tells her to wait but she tells him not to wrorry, she undresses and bathes with him. After a while Shirou gets turned on and he says he’s unable to resist his instincts, so he they have sex. Saber was very happy Shirou would allow her to make love to him.
    So we see that Rin can’t lock Saber-Shirou from happening even if she wants. If all 3 of them are living together Saber can take any little chance to do that and let’s not forget it is an eroge in which Shirou gives love points to both girls, a Saber-Shirou ending should happen just like Rider X Shirou is confirmered in Heaven’s Feel thanks to Fate Hollow Ataraxia.
    The fact that Rin tells saber not to flirt with Shirou is proof of that something’s there and it’s been just 5 minutes of them talking since the war ended.

    2. Saber is Rin’s servant.

    If Rin had set saber free or given her back to Shirou, Rin would have had to have sex with Saber out of necessity to give her mana (as there would be no master- servant relationship that would be the only way). Now, since saber and Rin maintained their pact Rin has no need to have sex with her (as she supplies mana constantly thanks to her immense magical knowledge) and it would be Shirou that comes to be in a enviable position as his “seed” would be needed to maintain the girls (either through Rin or directly to saber if that wasn’t enough).
    The situation between Rin and Saber is the same one as Sakura-Rider in Heaven’s Feel true ending and they don’t have sex (because it’s not necessary thanks to the master-servant link)

    3. Rin loves Shirou a lot.

    In Fate Hollow Ataraxia (sequel to the VN) she just wants to be a couple with Shirou [like when Rin invites Shirou to go to her private pool in her house. Shirou says he’s gonna go tell Saber and Rin gets super mad. She tells him it’s a couple’s date, so just the 2 of them will go]. In the anime [episode 11] all 3 of them go out together, but that wasn’t even close to a real date. Rin loves Sakura very much [you how much if you read Heaven’s Feel] and at that time Rin still believed he was gonna end up with Sakura. Later in the VN Shirou confesses his love for Rin, but before that she barely even considered going out with him.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMnTvLnV5oQ The whole scene up to minute 18 [scene 1] is very good. She crearly discards saber and blatantly tells Shirou they’re the ones in a relationship. Look at her face when Shirou says she wants to bring Saber to their date.

    Fate Hollow Ataraxia also shows a glimpse of future Rin (minutes 9-16 of the youtube video). She’s no longer tsundere, she’s just lovestruck. At some point future Rin says: Rather than becoming happy together, I will, with no questions asked, and more than anyone else, give him happiness. It also raises more reasons for Rin to save Saber in the good ending Sunny Days. In the VN in order to reach that ending Shirou has to give Saber at least 4 points, which means he cares about her a lot more than in the true ending. In the VN Rin says to Shirou “you are too kind to Saber” and in the good ending she says “you want her to stay, so it’s alright”. She also says both of them will be training Shirou, so it wouldn’t be too far-fetched to think Shirou’s happiness plays a big role in Rin saving Saber in the good ending. After all she just does it in the ending where Shirou really cares about her.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9thish4tmk4

    4. Rin’s undeniable harem would have been Shirou- Rin – Archer, but Archer didn’t accept.

    One more thing to consider is that she asks archer to remain in this world. This happens in both the good and true ending (right before the good ending would come archer’s scene). Think that if archer had accepted Rin’s proposal both the true and happy endings would be the same.

    A) The true ending becomes Rin-Archer-Shirou
    B) Rhe good ending becomes Rin-Archer-Shirou

    By asking archer to stay afterwards saber would have left this world had archer accepted (there’s not enough mana for both of them and even Rin knows saber isn’t selfish to stay that way, by asking archer she’s in a way betraying saber, that’s why she thinks “I know I shouldn’t ask” (but she does ask…) and archer says “I do not know if you will keep your contract with saber, but I am nor qualified for that”)
    These quotes are taken from the VN.

    Notice that having a harem is what Nasu always does for Shirou (with the exception of the Fate Route, where in the “last episode” in Realta Nua it is revealed he just gets saber.
    In UBW true ending Lluvia likes him very much and Nasu mentioned they will have adventures even after graduation; in UBW good ending saber loves him (VN, Rin tells them not to flirt); In Heaven’s Feel Rider loves him (amazing love confession in Ataraxia); In Ataraxia he gets every single heroine plus Caren and Bazett, it’s the ultimate harem, as the link reveals: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBl8Ucfq9xE

  2. Very good summary XD

    A clarification: In the anime when Rin takes Shirou to Glagow to allow him to pay his respects to Saber the only one that actually pays those respects is Shirou, not Rin (plus she says so as well: “you remember how you told me that day that you wished you had the chance to say a proper goodbye. Now’s your chance”. Once they reach the tomb Rin says: “I’ll give you some time alone” and goes away to prepare the picnic. Shirou then says his goodbye words in front of her tomb. Well, I guess she could have said goodbye too while in the picnic with Shirou. At the end he says: “Thanks for taking me there, it means a lot”.

    About the “threesome ending”, it is my believe it is just Shirou X Rin in the anime.

    In my opinion the UBW good ending (sunny day) is just Rin X Shirou in the anime (ova) . In the VN (and the anime if you don’t believe my next arguments) it would be Shirou’s harem (arguments 1-4).

    The reasons why I believe the anime is just Rin X Shirou:

    – Nasu said the anime occurs in a different universe with different laws. Mana transfer, as shown in episode 20, doesn’t happen through sex. Things can’t be taken from the Nasuverse cause it doesn’t apply to this universe. This universe uses Realta Nua method.

    We can’t assume Rin is even bi-curious either as we can’t take anything from other routes given this is a completely different universe and other routes would happen in a different way as well.

    Nasu said that in the anime the ones in a relationship are Rin and Shirou. The anime shows Rin is straight. She is 100% focused on Shirou as a love partner. Then again, you can’t take any info from other routes cause this is a different universe with different rules and even the characters are different. In other routes there would be no mana transfer through sex and
    Nasu also said the anime changes were relevant and that actions speak. Now, let’s see some of those changes just on the 7 minute (without credits) OVA.

    1. In the VN when talking about the mana transfer all 3 of them are together. Shirou asks what his mana boost will be like and Saber says she wants to know as well how Shirou will boost mana. Rin blushes a lot.

    In the anime this is a private conversation between Shirou and Rin. Saber just stands 20 meters away looking into blank space.
    How do I interpret this?: They’re having a private conversation and Saber knows that. Them being together means it’s just the 2 of them in love related matters. Saber is an outsider there, and waits for them to finish.

    2. In the VN Rin pulls saber (last CG). In the anime she grabs Shirou’s arm with both her arms, pulling him with one arm afterwards. Again, this shows Rin and Shirou are the happy couple and removes possible doubts.

    The reasons why I believe the VN is Shirou’s harem (and maybe the ova too if you don’t think it’s just Rin X Shirou) are:

    1. Saber:

    Shirou and Rin love each other so whoever saber likes will be the deciding factor. In a harem several people have feelings for someone. Who does saber like?

    There is one whole route dedicated to the love between Shirou and Arturia. In “the last episode” saber waits for thousands of years for Shirou and cries when she sees him.
    In the UBW anime Rin says saber is way to dedicated to Shirou. In episode 23 saber says “Shirou, you are still my master”, in episode 24 before dying saber says “I am happy because Shirou has Rin”. In the V.N saber flirts with Shirou as Rin states and she says she stays just for him.
    If we look the other way we’ll see that after Rin is forced to have sex with saber in the fate route H-scene saber’s mind is 100% set on Shirou, it’s as if nothing ever happened with Rin. This proves that no matter what Rin does, saber never sees Rin as a love interest.
    In the good ending the bond between Shirou and saber is even stronger than that of the true ending, strong enough for saber to kill Rin while destroying the Grail without the need of a command seal, although that didn’t happen as Archer saved Rin in the last second.
    So we have a saber class servant that willingly states “Shirou, you are still my master” (episode 23) while having another master, she willingly almost kills her real master and in the visual novel after Rin saves her she flirts with her master’s boyfriend.

    In Fate Hollow Ataraxia (the sequel to the VN) eclipse scenes we are shown that Heaven’s Feel is Shirou’s harem because Rider is fucking him. There is another scene which is very interesting, the saber scene. In the game saber comes from the UBW good ending universe. Her eclipse scene is her going inside the bathroom while Shirou is bathing. Shirou tells her to wait but she tells him not to wrorry, she undresses and bathes with him. After a while Shirou gets turned on and he says he’s unable to resist his instincts, so he they have sex. Saber was very happy Shirou would allow her to make love to him.
    So we see that Rin can’t lock Saber-Shirou from happening even if she wants. If all 3 of them are living together Saber can take any little chance to do that and let’s not forget it is an eroge in which Shirou gives love points to both girls, a Saber-Shirou ending should happen just like Rider X Shirou is confirmered in Heaven’s Feel thanks to Fate Hollow Ataraxia.
    The fact that Rin tells saber not to flirt with Shirou is proof of that something’s there and it’s been just 5 minutes of them talking since the war ended.

    2. Saber is Rin’s servant.

    If Rin had set saber free or given her back to Shirou, Rin would have had to have sex with Saber out of necessity to give her mana (as there would be no master- servant relationship that would be the only way). Now, since saber and Rin maintained their pact Rin has no need to have sex with her (as she supplies mana constantly thanks to her immense magical knowledge) and it would be Shirou that comes to be in a enviable position as his “seed” would be needed to maintain the girls (either through Rin or directly to saber if that wasn’t enough).
    The situation between Rin and Saber is the same one as Sakura-Rider in Heaven’s Feel true ending and they don’t have sex (because it’s not necessary thanks to the master-servant link)

    3. Rin loves Shirou a lot.

    In Fate Hollow Ataraxia (sequel to the VN) she just wants to be a couple with Shirou [like when Rin invites Shirou to go to her private pool in her house. Shirou says he’s gonna go tell Saber and Rin gets super mad. She tells him it’s a couple’s date, so just the 2 of them will go]. In the anime [episode 11] all 3 of them go out together, but that wasn’t even close to a real date. Rin loves Sakura very much [you how much if you read Heaven’s Feel] and at that time Rin still believed he was gonna end up with Sakura. Later in the VN Shirou confesses his love for Rin, but before that she barely even considered going out with him.

    Fate Hollow Ataraxia also shows a glimpse of future Rin. She’s no longer tsundere, she’s just lovestruck. At some point future Rin says: Rather than becoming happy together, I will, with no questions asked, and more than anyone else, give him happiness. It also raises more reasons for Rin to save Saber in the good ending Sunny Days. In the VN in order to reach that ending Shirou has to give Saber at least 4 points, which means he cares about her a lot more than in the true ending. In the VN Rin says to Shirou “you are too kind to Saber” and in the good ending she says “you want her to stay, so it’s alright”. She also says both of them will be training Shirou, so it wouldn’t be too far-fetched to think Shirou’s happiness plays a big role in Rin saving Saber in the good ending. After all she just does it in the ending where Shirou really cares about her.

    4. Rin’s undeniable harem would have been Shirou- Rin – Archer, but Archer didn’t accept.

    One more thing to consider is that she asks archer to remain in this world. This happens in both the good and true ending (right before the good ending would come archer’s scene). Think that if archer had accepted Rin’s proposal both the true and happy endings would be the same.

    A) The true ending becomes Rin-Archer-Shirou
    B) Rhe good ending becomes Rin-Archer-Shirou

    By asking archer to stay afterwards saber would have left this world had archer accepted (there’s not enough mana for both of them and even Rin knows saber isn’t selfish to stay that way, by asking archer she’s in a way betraying saber, that’s why she thinks “I know I shouldn’t ask” (but she does ask…) and archer says “I do not know if you will keep your contract with saber, but I am nor qualified for that”)
    These quotes are taken from the VN.

    Notice that having a harem is what Nasu always does for Shirou (with the exception of the Fate Route, where in the “last episode” in Realta Nua it is revealed he just gets saber.
    In UBW true ending Lluvia likes him very much and Nasu mentioned they will have adventures even after graduation; in UBW good ending saber loves him (VN, Rin tells them not to flirt); In Heaven’s Feel Rider loves him (amazing love confession in Ataraxia); In Ataraxia he gets every single heroine plus Caren and Bazett, it’s the ultimate harem.

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